tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24168315.post886008502244333123..comments2023-05-03T07:10:20.498-04:00Comments on Cold & Calculating: Grace and MoreBrianJhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11141688398007490973noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24168315.post-22947087469019141932007-12-07T21:03:00.000-05:002007-12-07T21:03:00.000-05:00Good point. If we then take both of them together...Good point. If we then take both of them together and still consider faith as a force moving us to works we have another facet of the gem of faith to consider (I wouldn't give my thought more than a portion of a whole picture). Particularly, how is it that faith (in Christ) is a force to cause action and how does it relate to God's power working within us?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24168315.post-76707227438466156642007-12-06T23:47:00.000-05:002007-12-06T23:47:00.000-05:00Nathan - What does Paul say in Romans 6? It is not...Nathan - What does Paul say in Romans 6? It is not we who do God's work, it is Christ who lives through us and does God's work. I'm pretty sure you agree with that already, and that I am just parsing.BrianJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11141688398007490973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24168315.post-52735194933645529702007-12-04T21:48:00.000-05:002007-12-04T21:48:00.000-05:00Brian,I don't want to resurrect that long post on ...Brian,<BR/>I don't want to resurrect that long post on Feast Upon the Word, but I recently thought back to physics and work. Work is force times distance. Force can move us somewhere. Not that this explains some of the questions about salvation and works, but I thought our spiritual works are simply what happens when we apply the force of faith to ourselves. I'm beginning to think that our Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24168315.post-59954363051427822392007-10-25T17:14:00.000-04:002007-10-25T17:14:00.000-04:00Yeah, my first paragraph should be disregarded. I ...Yeah, my first paragraph should be disregarded. I was brain-dead when I said that.<BR/><BR/>There is a cross reference from Mosiah 3:21 to Luke 17:10. In the Luke scripture, the Savior said that after we have done all the things commanded of us, we are still unprofitable servants because we only did that which was our duty to do, that is, required of us. So, we keep God's commandments, and we areAllenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02879512265582253237noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24168315.post-84059283676641456552007-10-25T13:26:00.000-04:002007-10-25T13:26:00.000-04:00Allen,I'm not sure if I understand you. I think th...Allen,<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure if I understand you. I think that King Benjamin's point is that, inasmuch as we are God's bondservants, then there is no way that we can "profit" (i.e. gain the upper hand) in our relationship. But I certainly believe that God profits.<BR/><BR/>Put it this way: if I sell myself to you, becoming your bondservant, then I promise to work for you with all my strength, andBrianJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11141688398007490973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24168315.post-361342345949634582007-10-23T23:08:00.000-04:002007-10-23T23:08:00.000-04:00Depends on how you use the word "works". I can wor...Depends on how you use the word "works". I can work at digging a whole in the ground all day, without a real purpose and call it a work. If you are engaged in Christ-like works, then there is a greater value. There is also the underlying principle of motive. Are we performing a work out of fear, because we are told, or are we performing a work out of love? Even then, we still fall short...hence Lylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03260672421125052182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24168315.post-12719918432998453692007-10-17T19:47:00.000-04:002007-10-17T19:47:00.000-04:00Brian,I think you're right that it is the servant ...Brian,<BR/><BR/>I think you're right that it is the servant not the master who profits.<BR/><BR/>King Benjamin said that if we would serve God with all our whole souls, we would still be unprofitable servants. To me, that means that our works do not save us. Our works do not do not get us into heaven. Our works do not earn us exaltation. Salvation, exaltation comes through the Savior's atonement Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02879512265582253237noreply@blogger.com